Trying to get Y-Pipe put on.....
02-24-2006, 04:04 PM
#1
Trying to get Y-Pipe put on.....
Ok heres the deal, I went out today since 10AM looking for places to put the Y-Pipe on my 2001 Max SE. Well i went to Midas, they said its illegal. Went to Mienikin they said it was illegal, because of the Y-pipe replacing the Catalic Converter. Well i remember reading on the forums that it only removes the pre-cat or somthing, imma have to look into that. I even went to 3 local shops, they even said that they wont do it. I thought this wouldnt be such a big deal but its turned out to be a pain in the ***.
Oh and yeah, my friend has a 4th gen max, and he has a y-pipe same as mine (Warpspeed) and he got it dont by this shop, i went to the same shop and they said no. LOL. Today turned out to be against me. Anyways, anyone know a shop around Philadelphia area that wont ***** at me about putting the y-pipe on?
Oh and yeah, my friend has a 4th gen max, and he has a y-pipe same as mine (Warpspeed) and he got it dont by this shop, i went to the same shop and they said no. LOL. Today turned out to be against me. Anyways, anyone know a shop around Philadelphia area that wont ***** at me about putting the y-pipe on?
02-24-2006, 04:44 PM
#4
The y-pipe is illegal. They are for off-road use only. I'm not surprised the chains wouldn't touch it. Find another shop and tell them you will pay cash and no receipt is necessary and maybe they will be more willing to do it.
02-24-2006, 06:42 PM
#5
Yeah, good luck finding a shop that will do it. They can recieve hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and be shut down if they are caught. Not worth it to them for $30 they would make installing it. Just put it on yourself.
02-24-2006, 08:25 PM
#6
If you're gonna have a shop do anything, have em replace all the hardware on the stock y-pipe. Yes, the hardware. So that when you do the install yourself, it'll be harder to break any bolts since all the rusted ones have been replaced.
And it is true, almost no shop will do a y-pipe install or help you tamper with any emissions equipment.
And it is true, almost no shop will do a y-pipe install or help you tamper with any emissions equipment.
02-24-2006, 09:19 PM
#9
So, after removing the catalic converter, i can still pass emmission? after heating it up? thats what it says in the FAQs, just making sure. i'm prolly gonna do it myself or my friend told me about this SMALLER shop, like stated a couple posts above.
Just one more concern, is it really worth it?
Just one more concern, is it really worth it?
02-25-2006, 05:21 PM
#11
Maybe Y pipes have changed in the last 6 months, but the y pipe doesnt replace the cat, it goes between the exhaust manifolds and the cat. i still have my stock cat. i guess a lot of shops are leary, but when i was having my catback installed, a guy came in with a Subbie wanting them (Midas) to install a test pipe. they said no, its illegal, and they could be fined, but they had no issue doing my cat back or y pipe (they didnt do the y pipe). like people said, just talk to a smaller shop that specializes in exhausts, especially aftermarket, and they can help you out.
02-25-2006, 07:58 PM
#12
When i was at Meinikin or Midas , dont remember, the one which specializes in exhuast. He lifted my max, and showed me the where the (Stock)y-pipe and and held up the (Aftermarket)y-pipe, it looked like it replaced the cat converter to a straight pipe. So i dont know whats going on.
02-25-2006, 08:50 PM
#13
The y-pipe replaces the pre-cats which, like replacing or relocating the main cat, is illegal. You cannot legally replace or relocate any cat or precat if the car is to be registered for highway use. Yes you should still be able to pass an emissions test with the y-pipe, but they could fail you for visual inspection.
02-25-2006, 09:14 PM
#14
that is weird that no shop will touch it. There was a shop that I went to over here (pretty big, won't mention names) that offered to remove the larger of the two cats(not precat) and replace it with a straight through pipe for no charge when I was getting some rusted piping replaced on my max
02-26-2006, 03:25 AM
#16
Originally Posted by Icondapython
Do they usually do Visual inspection ? My friend passes his inspection all the time tho, he has a 4th gen with a y-pipe. I guess imma have to go his place.
In NYC you have safety inspection for the first 2 years on a new car after that there is a emissons inspection that is done every year. So I might have to switch over to the OEM pipe which I saved.
02-26-2006, 07:56 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by xlcrew
why don't you put it on. it only takes maybe an hour for someone with not a lot of mechanical skill. it's a couple of bolts. jack the car up and get after it.
Have you ever put on a y-pipe before on a car that's been in north eastern winters?
Take it to a shop...
save yourself alot of headache.
02-26-2006, 09:48 AM
#19
Midas was the 1st place i went. they did it fine. the law states that " If it removes or modifies the MAIN CAT it is federally illegal for any shop to do" But this just removes factory PRE-CATS, not the main (unless you are removing the main, but from a performance standpoint that is pointless, and pollution is bad so dont do it plx) So midas should do it. If the owners of the shops are that stupid and cant interpret the laws correctly then maybe they shouldnt be touching your car. Just have them break the bolts on the stock y-pipe. That makes it 20000x easier for you.
02-26-2006, 11:11 AM
#20
same thing happened tome best advice i had them loosen the bolts for me and i took i home and took them out and then put the in my self and they did say it was illegal to remove the precats and it only took an hour so dont sweat it
02-26-2006, 12:38 PM
#21
yeah, its been really cold and windy these past couple of days, so i'm just waiting for it to warm up. I think imma get it done from a shop, ok just make it clear, Warpspeed Y-pipe does or doesnt remove the cat converter. cuz from what i saw it does. Can someone please clear that for me?
PS: Went to a Subbie meet today in west chester, that **** was hot, anyways thanks for the help.
PS: Went to a Subbie meet today in west chester, that **** was hot, anyways thanks for the help.
02-26-2006, 12:44 PM
#22
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I don't know if it is worth the headaches. After the Y-pipe is on won't you also have a CEL because the rear 02 sensors will "know" that the precats are gone? (unless you also install an o2 simulator to "trick" the ECU into thinking all is well)
In PA, unless you get rid of the CEL you will automatically fail inspection
In PA, unless you get rid of the CEL you will automatically fail inspection
02-26-2006, 01:56 PM
#24
Originally Posted by Icondapython
yeah, its been really cold and windy these past couple of days, so i'm just waiting for it to warm up. I think imma get it done from a shop, ok just make it clear, Warpspeed Y-pipe does or doesnt remove the cat converter. cuz from what i saw it does. Can someone please clear that for me?
Alright, I'm gonna try this again. If I am wrong (I very well could be) somewhere someone please correct me.
The aftermarket Y-pipes offered for the 2000-2001 Maximas (Cattman, Stillen, Warpspeed, etc.) replace the pipe BETWEEN the headers and MAIN CAT. This means that the pipe replaces the PRECATS, but NOT THE MAIN CAT. The PRECATS are there to reduce cold engine emissions after startup. Now as far as I know, it is a federal offense to remove or modify any part of a vehicles emissions reduction system (MAIN CAT OR PRECATS) if the vehicle is to be registered and driven on state roads. The precats are just as important to reduce emissions as the main cat so I don't know why just removing the main cat would be illegal but removing the precats wouldn't be, unless maybe its just a California thing, but all cars MY 2001 or newer come from the factory to meet Cali emissions.
As far as a y-pipe being illegal, YES it is illegal. However, you should be able to pass an emissions test after the car has come to operating temperature. You do run the chance of failing a visual inspection if the tech knows what they are looking at since the precats are gone, most of the time they don't bother with visual checks or they don't know what they are looking at though.
If you want a shop to install it, try what I suggested, go to a shop and tell them you will pay cash and no receipt is necessary. Shops can get in trouble for installing them since it is a federal offense and they can get fined and this is why they may turn you away but it will all depend on the shop and the mechanics. They may have gotten in trouble for it before or may just be ****s, tell them cash with no paperwork necessary and they may be more comfortable with it.
Originally Posted by Icondapython
whats a CEL? sorry, i'm not that smart with this stuff.
I say get it installed, have a shop do it if you don't want to do it yourself. Keep the stock pipe though just in case you run into any problems. I've had my y-pipe installed for years now with no issues with inspections or anything else.
I hope this helps but I'm no expert, this is just my understanding of installing a y-pipe and if I am incorrect on any of these points I apologize.
02-26-2006, 06:30 PM
#25
Originally Posted by RockfordMax
Midas was the 1st place i went. they did it fine. the law states that " If it removes or modifies the MAIN CAT it is federally illegal for any shop to do" But this just removes factory PRE-CATS, not the main (unless you are removing the main, but thats pointless and you should go to hell if you do) So midas should do it. If the owners of the shops are that stupid and cant interpret the laws correctly then maybe they shouldnt be touching your car. Just have them break the bolts on the stock y-pipe. That makes it 20000x easier for you.
So are you saying that members who have the y-pipes on their 6th gens should go to hell because the main cat was removed?
02-26-2006, 06:56 PM
#27
while on the subject of Y-pipes if i have 4 connections on the front of my engine that means i have a "cali-spec" 2000 I30
this shows i just wanna confrim with my fellow orgers
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...5&postcount=25
and if so
this shows i just wanna confrim with my fellow orgers
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...5&postcount=25
and if so
02-26-2006, 07:39 PM
#29
Originally Posted by scmaxima2k
Alright, I'm gonna try this again. If I am wrong (I very well could be) somewhere someone please correct me.
The aftermarket Y-pipes offered for the 2000-2001 Maximas (Cattman, Stillen, Warpspeed, etc.) replace the pipe BETWEEN the headers and MAIN CAT. This means that the pipe replaces the PRECATS, but NOT THE MAIN CAT. The PRECATS are there to reduce cold engine emissions after startup. Now as far as I know, it is a federal offense to remove or modify any part of a vehicles emissions reduction system (MAIN CAT OR PRECATS) if the vehicle is to be registered and driven on state roads. The precats are just as important to reduce emissions as the main cat so I don't know why just removing the main cat would be illegal but removing the precats wouldn't be, unless maybe its just a California thing, but all cars MY 2001 or newer come from the factory to meet Cali emissions.
As far as a y-pipe being illegal, YES it is illegal. However, you should be able to pass an emissions test after the car has come to operating temperature. You do run the chance of failing a visual inspection if the tech knows what they are looking at since the precats are gone, most of the time they don't bother with visual checks or they don't know what they are looking at though.
If you want a shop to install it, try what I suggested, go to a shop and tell them you will pay cash and no receipt is necessary. Shops can get in trouble for installing them since it is a federal offense and they can get fined and this is why they may turn you away but it will all depend on the shop and the mechanics. They may have gotten in trouble for it before or may just be ****s, tell them cash with no paperwork necessary and they may be more comfortable with it.
A CEL is a Check Engine Light. You should NOT get a CEL from installing a y-pipe unless you mess up or don't install one of the O2 sensors.
I say get it installed, have a shop do it if you don't want to do it yourself. Keep the stock pipe though just in case you run into any problems. I've had my y-pipe installed for years now with no issues with inspections or anything else.
I hope this helps but I'm no expert, this is just my understanding of installing a y-pipe and if I am incorrect on any of these points I apologize.
The aftermarket Y-pipes offered for the 2000-2001 Maximas (Cattman, Stillen, Warpspeed, etc.) replace the pipe BETWEEN the headers and MAIN CAT. This means that the pipe replaces the PRECATS, but NOT THE MAIN CAT. The PRECATS are there to reduce cold engine emissions after startup. Now as far as I know, it is a federal offense to remove or modify any part of a vehicles emissions reduction system (MAIN CAT OR PRECATS) if the vehicle is to be registered and driven on state roads. The precats are just as important to reduce emissions as the main cat so I don't know why just removing the main cat would be illegal but removing the precats wouldn't be, unless maybe its just a California thing, but all cars MY 2001 or newer come from the factory to meet Cali emissions.
As far as a y-pipe being illegal, YES it is illegal. However, you should be able to pass an emissions test after the car has come to operating temperature. You do run the chance of failing a visual inspection if the tech knows what they are looking at since the precats are gone, most of the time they don't bother with visual checks or they don't know what they are looking at though.
If you want a shop to install it, try what I suggested, go to a shop and tell them you will pay cash and no receipt is necessary. Shops can get in trouble for installing them since it is a federal offense and they can get fined and this is why they may turn you away but it will all depend on the shop and the mechanics. They may have gotten in trouble for it before or may just be ****s, tell them cash with no paperwork necessary and they may be more comfortable with it.
A CEL is a Check Engine Light. You should NOT get a CEL from installing a y-pipe unless you mess up or don't install one of the O2 sensors.
I say get it installed, have a shop do it if you don't want to do it yourself. Keep the stock pipe though just in case you run into any problems. I've had my y-pipe installed for years now with no issues with inspections or anything else.
I hope this helps but I'm no expert, this is just my understanding of installing a y-pipe and if I am incorrect on any of these points I apologize.
Here's a diag from the FSM:
02-27-2006, 06:22 PM
#33
Originally Posted by ponde
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I found some guy on the regional forums that is opening a shop this Sunday near my area. Bristol, PA. He said he will do it for 40 bux, so i guess i'm set. thanks for all the info guys, really apprciated it. Really some nicely skilled people on this site , i love it. thanks guys.
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